Talk:Alice/@comment-75.62.114.245-20140520225159/@comment-184.8.102.217-20140613032736

I can understand that Alice has an obligation as a Monster Lord first and doesn't see fit to help Luka solve dilemmas or fight his battles for him, but the thing is, even though he waves his sword around and may be a complete fucking idiot, he is TRYING to make a better world. He is TRYING to do something, anything to help BOTH monsters and humans have peaceful coexistance... not necessarily one where humans and monsters are treated equally and fairly as Succubus village made glaringly obvious, but still some kind of coexistence at least.

But heres the thing, Alice, who has an obligation as a monster lord to help monsters, doesn't even do that most of the time. So even using the argument that 'she has no obligation to help the hero' falls flat on its fucking face when you see that she does almost NOTHING to actually help even her own kind for nearly all of the first two parts. She is apathetic and nihilistic to a fault in the first 2 parts of the game, and thats where a lot of the hate comes from for this character. Some people like her, thats fine, but there is a reason that people might not like her, and by extent and through her, might dislike all other monsters as well because her and the 4HK set the tone for their diversity and give us an idea of what the monster race is all about. You can say that thats not the case, but they are the ones that get the most character development out of their race, so you don't have much else to draw from the pool. And it is a pretty murky pool at that.

There isn't all much much redeeming about them by the end of the game, a lot of what they did by the third part can be looked at as self preservation in the face of mutually assured destruction if they were to do anything else but fight alongside humans and give the whole peaceful world thing a shot. And to be fair, it looked like it would've had a satisfying ending, but then you get the reminder that this is a hentai game first, so the Tamamo test got thrown in and made me just end up hating monsters all over again. Like... really, the guy who was willing to die to save everyone wakes up from over a month in a coma to be instantly treated to a rape test. Made me wonder why I was trying to save the world, when the world is full of assholes that just want to rape me.

Except Amira, you stay awesome Amira.