Talk:Grandine/@comment-2037710-20130821083422/@comment-26527700-20180814213017

I feel like the game designers just ran out of ideas on how Salamander could counter Grandine. Salamander is the only spirit that doesn't grant a single defensive trait (unless you count SP restoration). Sylph and Undine both have evasion while Gnome has defense and bind-breaking.

This is probably why no Grandine using enemy appears after obtaining Salamander sans Black Alice. They simply couldn't come up with a valid weakness for Salamader to exploit.

Personally, I've come up with an idea of how I would have used Salamander to counter Black Alice's move, as well as Grandine in general. Since Salamander is built around bolstered attack power, some type of 'flinching' effect could be justified. With this, attacking using Salamander could then be said to disrupt an opponent's control of Grandine. In Black Alice's case specifically, I would have had her use a binding move and, similar to Elimination: Chew, require Luka to attack using Salamander to break free.